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		<title>Comment on Why We Publish Through the ACM Digital Library in 2013 by Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 14:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not create a community in Zenodo, and upload all papers there? I created a similar Wikimedia community, it could be useful to store all the papers there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not create a community in Zenodo, and upload all papers there? I created a similar Wikimedia community, it could be useful to store all the papers there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Requirements for a Suitable Publisher in 2014 by Wikimedia Research Newsletter, April 2013 — Wikimedia blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wikimedia Research Newsletter, April 2013 — Wikimedia blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 18:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ↑ http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/requirements-for-a-suitable-publisher-in-2014/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ↑ <a href="http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/requirements-for-a-suitable-publisher-in-2014/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/requirements-for-a-suitable-publisher-in-2014/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why We Publish Through the ACM Digital Library in 2013 by Wikimedia Research Newsletter, April 2013 — Wikimedia blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wikimedia Research Newsletter, April 2013 — Wikimedia blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ↑ http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/why-we-publish-through-the-acm-digital-library-in-2013/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ↑ <a href="http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/why-we-publish-through-the-acm-digital-library-in-2013/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/why-we-publish-through-the-acm-digital-library-in-2013/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on WikiSym + OpenSym 2013 General Call for Submissions (Papers) by May 2013 Newsletter &#124; ASIS&#38;T SIG SI</title>
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		<dc:creator>May 2013 Newsletter &#124; ASIS&#38;T SIG SI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 15:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Symposium on Open Collaboration (WikiSym + OpenSym 2013), Hong Kong, China, August 5-7, 2013. http://www.wikisym.org/2012/11/26/wikisym-opensym-2013-general-call-for-submissions-papers/ (Submission is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Symposium on Open Collaboration (WikiSym + OpenSym 2013), Hong Kong, China, August 5-7, 2013. <a href="http://www.wikisym.org/2012/11/26/wikisym-opensym-2013-general-call-for-submissions-papers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikisym.org/2012/11/26/wikisym-opensym-2013-general-call-for-submissions-papers/</a> (Submission is [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Requirements for a Suitable Publisher in 2014 by Jodi Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil Bourne is great, it&#039;ll be interesting to hear reports about what he says about cost structures. It seems like the main issue these days in open access is not WHETHER but HOW MUCH (and WHO PAYS).

I do like CEUR the question is where these get indexed.  I think that CEUR proceedings aren&#039;t indexed uniformly (I hope I&#039;m wrong; and maybe Google Scholar picks up all of CEUR) but rather that it depends on the conference.  If we could get papers indexed by at least DBLP, that would be good. It seems to be possible, based on my experience as author in another conference: they published at CEUR and got indexed by DBLP -- I can put you in touch with conference chairs (of Agreement Technologies) for more info if that becomes relevant. To me indexing is important because it helps find things in the larger literature -- making the difference between grey literature and formal publishing. 

For Springer, their Author Processing Charges are found at
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq/howmuch&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq/howmuch&lt;/a&gt; and see also the FAQ at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq&lt;/a&gt;. They seem to be drawing expertise from BioMedCentral, and they are promoting discount programs to libraries (e.g. for institution/author payment splits and prepay options. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.springeropen.com/libraries&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.springeropen.com/libraries&lt;/a&gt;

Claypool &amp; Morgan might also be worth approaching; they have a growing reputation in CS though I don&#039;t think they&#039;re doing conference proceedings as of yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Bourne is great, it&#8217;ll be interesting to hear reports about what he says about cost structures. It seems like the main issue these days in open access is not WHETHER but HOW MUCH (and WHO PAYS).</p>
<p>I do like CEUR the question is where these get indexed.  I think that CEUR proceedings aren&#8217;t indexed uniformly (I hope I&#8217;m wrong; and maybe Google Scholar picks up all of CEUR) but rather that it depends on the conference.  If we could get papers indexed by at least DBLP, that would be good. It seems to be possible, based on my experience as author in another conference: they published at CEUR and got indexed by DBLP &#8212; I can put you in touch with conference chairs (of Agreement Technologies) for more info if that becomes relevant. To me indexing is important because it helps find things in the larger literature &#8212; making the difference between grey literature and formal publishing. </p>
<p>For Springer, their Author Processing Charges are found at<br />
<a href="http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq/howmuch" rel="nofollow">http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq/howmuch</a> and see also the FAQ at <a href="http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq" rel="nofollow">http://www.springeropen.com/about/apcfaq</a>. They seem to be drawing expertise from BioMedCentral, and they are promoting discount programs to libraries (e.g. for institution/author payment splits and prepay options. See <a href="http://www.springeropen.com/libraries" rel="nofollow">http://www.springeropen.com/libraries</a></p>
<p>Claypool &amp; Morgan might also be worth approaching; they have a growing reputation in CS though I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re doing conference proceedings as of yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Requirements for a Suitable Publisher in 2014 by Dirk Riehle</title>
		<link>http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/requirements-for-a-suitable-publisher-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-15195</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Riehle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jodi,

I&#039;m glad there are numbers out there now from the ACM though I also would have hoped they are lower. Compared with others, these numbers are somewhere in the middle. Elsevier and Springer have quoted me both &gt; EUR 2000, while some tell me Springer also has EUR 800 options (just where?).

At this year&#039;s WikiSym + OpenSym the main keynoter is Phil Bourne, an editor at PLOS (which is quite expensive open access) so we should ask him about cost structures.

Cheers,
Dirk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad there are numbers out there now from the ACM though I also would have hoped they are lower. Compared with others, these numbers are somewhere in the middle. Elsevier and Springer have quoted me both > EUR 2000, while some tell me Springer also has EUR 800 options (just where?).</p>
<p>At this year&#8217;s WikiSym + OpenSym the main keynoter is Phil Bourne, an editor at PLOS (which is quite expensive open access) so we should ask him about cost structures.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dirk</p>
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		<title>Comment on Requirements for a Suitable Publisher in 2014 by Jodi Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/requirements-for-a-suitable-publisher-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-15193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this requirements list, Dirk.

On the ACM open access options: More particularly, currently this is what I read at &lt;a href=&quot;http://authors.acm.org/main.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://authors.acm.org/main.html&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;ACM’s author-pays option consists of the following Article Processing Charge (APC) payment levels, for full articles:

Journal article
No ACM member authors: $1,700
One or more ACM members authors: $1,300

Proceedings article
No ACM/SIG member authors: $1,500
One or more ACM/SIG member authors: $1,100&quot;

While I&#039;m glad that ACM is adding an open access option, the pricing seems excessive. I&#039;d like to know what their cost structure is, and what it would cost to make the entire ACM Digital Library (including existing publications) open access. 

Some communities (notably high-energy physics) have raised appropriate funding to make the entire publications in the field open access (i.e. with no author fees). Could ACM open access as a society, rather than by author paying? I&#039;d like to see the ACM community take a close look at the costs and benefits of that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this requirements list, Dirk.</p>
<p>On the ACM open access options: More particularly, currently this is what I read at <a href="http://authors.acm.org/main.html" rel="nofollow">http://authors.acm.org/main.html</a><br />
&#8220;ACM’s author-pays option consists of the following Article Processing Charge (APC) payment levels, for full articles:</p>
<p>Journal article<br />
No ACM member authors: $1,700<br />
One or more ACM members authors: $1,300</p>
<p>Proceedings article<br />
No ACM/SIG member authors: $1,500<br />
One or more ACM/SIG member authors: $1,100&#8243;</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m glad that ACM is adding an open access option, the pricing seems excessive. I&#8217;d like to know what their cost structure is, and what it would cost to make the entire ACM Digital Library (including existing publications) open access. </p>
<p>Some communities (notably high-energy physics) have raised appropriate funding to make the entire publications in the field open access (i.e. with no author fees). Could ACM open access as a society, rather than by author paying? I&#8217;d like to see the ACM community take a close look at the costs and benefits of that!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Testimonials by Cliff Lampe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff Lampe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to mention as well, that the papers have been available since the conference here:

http://www.wikisym.org/ws2012/bin/view/Main/Program

Though I recognize that is not an acceptable replacement for the delay in getting these into the ACM Digital Library.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention as well, that the papers have been available since the conference here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wikisym.org/ws2012/bin/view/Main/Program" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikisym.org/ws2012/bin/view/Main/Program</a></p>
<p>Though I recognize that is not an acceptable replacement for the delay in getting these into the ACM Digital Library.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Testimonials by Cliff Lampe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff Lampe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gerrit - 

You&#039;re right of course, that I mismanaged the publication process. I apologize for that. I&#039;ve been in touch with the ACM, and the papers should be available quite soon. I know that&#039;s a cold comfort, so again I apologize.

Best regards,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerrit &#8211; </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right of course, that I mismanaged the publication process. I apologize for that. I&#8217;ve been in touch with the ACM, and the papers should be available quite soon. I know that&#8217;s a cold comfort, so again I apologize.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Requirements for a Suitable Publisher in 2014 by Dirk Riehle</title>
		<link>http://www.wikisym.org/2013/04/02/requirements-for-a-suitable-publisher-in-2014/comment-page-1/#comment-14387</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk Riehle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 19:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two relevant links:

ACM: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acm.org/news/featured/author-rights-management&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.acm.org/news/featured/author-rights-management&lt;/a&gt;

Nature: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two relevant links:</p>
<p>ACM: <a href="http://www.acm.org/news/featured/author-rights-management" rel="nofollow">http://www.acm.org/news/featured/author-rights-management</a></p>
<p>Nature: <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676</a></p>
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