[wiki-standards] Comments on Dirk's "simplest process..."

Dirk Riehle dirk at riehle.org
Thu Dec 29 16:34:45 CET 2005

Hi Filippo, and welcome!

I think at this point of time actual work should take precedence over process.

I'd be willing to support to put up any standards proposal right away 
for immediate discussion and vote, if someone provided a spec and 
wanted to push it through. Without prior requirements gathering, call 
for participation, etc.

Please note that I'm not advising such a procedure: A person to do 
that would be in for something as either people will come up with all 
kinds of objections (to avoid those we should have had the process in 
the first place) or people won't comment and probably then flat out 
ignore the proposed standard.

My reasoning is that it is better to have a spec 1.0 that people try 
to put into code, and then a subsequent spec 2.0 that fixes all the 
problems than to have no spec at all.

Now, you can actually lead the way. If you have a topic that is 
important to you, why don't you propose to work on that? You can 
implement the standards work in a way you want, and we are most 
certainly going to comment on that in good spirit, thereby refining 
the process until we agree on it.

Since not much has happened since we had the last energy boost at 
WikiSym 2005, I'd support you in picking a topic you like. If someone 
else is also interested, they are likely to step up then. This 
mailing list has been growing nicely.


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At 28.12.2005, Filippo A. Salustri wrote:
>Oops.  Forgot to add:
>Insofar as I am able to, I would be happy to help with anything I 
>suggest.  That is, I'll put my money where my mouth is. :-)
>Ward Cunningham wrote:
>>On Dec 28, 2005, at 8:25 AM, Filippo A. Salustri wrote:
>>>I also think it would be important to proactively seek out the
>>>opinions, wishes, and needs of wiki users who are not 
>>>programmers  or involved with the administration and upkeep of their wikis.
>>>I would also suggest that specs should include a "lay person's"
>>>summary that can be shown to the user community to get 
>>>their  feedback as well.
>>Filippo -- I encourage you do to this on our behalf. But, 
>>please  don't suggest a process that squashes the creativity of the 
>>wiki  community under a pile of righteous "oughts". Wiki has 
>>flourished at  the hands of users who could figure out how to 
>>exploit capabilities  that they never dreamed they could have. We 
>>recognize them by the  quality of the pages they write. Best regards. -- Ward
>Prof. Filippo A. Salustri, Ph.D., P.Eng.
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