[wiki-standards] Re: proposed wiki markup standard - font
salustri at ryerson.ca
Mon Jul 17 00:26:13 CEST 2006
Michael has expressed my thinking better than I was able to.
I also like the notion of establishing a common feature set as a starting
point. From that, one can (in principle) plan syntax and other things better.
Michael Futreal wrote:
> Ward Cunningham wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Filippo Salustri wrote:
> > different users would see different syntaxes at the same wiki,
> > depending on what they prefer and have identified as their
> > preference. This per-user syntax could even be local to the user's
> > browser.
> Although it is possible to have every user speak to the computer a
> different way, when the differences are superficial, they serve only
> to isolate users and discourage real space collaboration.
> It seems to me that what Filippo is suggesting is a 2-way parser on the
> editing side -- something that aspires to be a "universal translator" of
> wikis. In such a scheme, content would be stored on the wikiServer in a
> single "neutral" format, but would get parsed into a particular wiki
> syntax when it is served to a editor client (and vice versa). Given a
> reasonably rich editing client, users would be able to select from
> different syntaxes and/or modify their own preferences in a systematic
> way. So, when Filippo says "different users would see different
> syntaxes," I gather he means that different users would see the same
> wiki text in their individually preferred formats.
> Such a system would be difficult to implement well and requires solving
> a new set of problems (writing parsers that create wikitax from, say,
> saved XHTML, instead of just parsing wikitax into XHMTL), but I don't
> see why it would affect users abilities to share content and
> collaborate. You might edit pages in C2 format, but, under Filippo's
> suggested scheme, I'd work with the same content in the wikiX format
> that I favor ... and thanks to the wiki application running on the
> server, we can still share our documents and participate. Ward refers
> to "real space collaboration" being discouraged, though -- I'm not sure
> what he means with that phrase, though, so I'm not sure if my
> interpretation of Fil's suggestion has any bearing on that concern.
> Regardless, Filippo's suggestion is an interesting idea that could do
> with some more brainstorming, even it turns out not to be the favored
> direction. To me, it suggests that what we may really need to settle on
> is a common feature set -- a meta-wikitax, if you will -- instead of a
> common wiki markup per se. The downside to such a 'solution' is that it
> would make our development work more complicated. Ideally, in order to
> realize the benefits of such a scheme, everyone's wiki software would
> need to be able to back-translate into the various splintered wiki
> formats that users of different stripes prefer. As Filippo points out,
> however, it's much more likely such wikitax translation would probably
> be realized only with respect to some core set of features ( e.g, the
> 20% of features that 80% use).
> Michael Futreal
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