[wiki-standards] Hello - request comments on Creole

[phil jones]

OTOH ... Mike ... maybe you want something like Markdown as a generic
plaintext to HTML language that's used everywhere (eg. blogs etc.)
Isn't creole more to get interop between wikis.

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Mike Haseler <mike at lenzie.org.uk> wrote:
> Dirk,
>
> Thanks for that. The first human response I've had!!
>
> One glance at your grammar and I can say it isn't how I interpreted the
> specification (perhaps all I need to turn the page upside down joke!). But
> then again I was beginning to wonder whether it was possible to produce a
> grammar for the specification of the markup as I understand it.
>
> what is extension.g ? There seems to be no obvious text to say what is "with
> and without extension.g".
>
> Based on the apparent goal of creole to be as uncontroversial as possible
> and do nothing that would change anything I was thinking of calling my
> alternative "Kirk" as in:-
>
> '''To **boldly** go where __no man__ has gone before ,,^,, ~^^^~^^^ |Kirk'''
>
> thanks again,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Dirk Riehle wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for the note. We developed a precise grammar to cope exactly
>> with these issues. We even developed two versions, one following the
>> official spec, one taking astricter view. (I.e. require closing tags
>> at paragraph end.
>>
>> You can find things on riehle.org incl tools to get you implemented
>> quickly. Follow the wiki tag.
>>
>>> From the traffic and requests I get through this I can reassure it is
>>
>> anything but dead ;-) At this stage all people want is just one
>> solution, no hassles.
>>
>> (And sorry, I'm not monitoring the Creole wiki.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/08, Mike Haseler <mike at lenzie.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've spent the last few weeks trying to come to grips with what is
>>> optimistically called the creole "specification".
>>>
>>> I say "optimistically", because because even the very simplest things
>>> like whether there can be a space between bold and the text isn't
>>> defined. (ie **bold** vs. ** bold ** )
>>>
>>> I believe the problem stems from a total opposition of goals between the
>>> project and my own requirements.
>>>
>>> Creole seems to be a "nice-to-have" list of "similarities" which you
>>> "might like to implement" if you feel like it.
>>>
>>> In contrast, I just want a defined markup specification so that I can be
>>> sure I am compatible without all the hassle of trying to work out what
>>> this or that should do.
>>>
>>> I've reached the stage, where I'm basically dumping the creole idea as a
>>> waste of time because I keep posting comments on the wiki and get no
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> ======
>>> Aim,
>>>
>>> my aim is to create a basic form of format that can be used across a
>>> wide range of applications from wikis, to blogs, to message boards, to
>>> private messages, to adverts for houses, to address lists for scouts.
>>>
>>> The applications have two things in commons:
>>>
>>> 1. They share the same username/password/authentication system
>>> 2. They share the same text interface.
>>>
>>> I'm not in principle against wizi-wig textual interfaces, except that I
>>> regularly post on bulletin boards with such wizi-wig interfaces, and I
>>> never use them, so they are a toupee to markup not hair transplant.
>>>
>>> =====
>>> Reason for writing,
>>>
>>> I reached that stage in the pistophonous curve where I wished I'd never
>>> started this project because I can't write one bit of code without
>>> finding that I've got a bug in another bit, and to be honest the creole
>>> spec is light relief compared to debugging some of the stuff I've
>>> written.
>>>
>>> And, I'm now so deep in the shit, and have so much newly written code
>>> that I realise it's going to take months and months to test this blasted
>>> thing .... and I may as well get into practice with blogging because
>>> with no one else involved in the project, I'm going to be talking to
>>> myself for months if not years at the current rate of progress.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> PS. 14,000 characters on my test case, and I'm still regularly finding
>>> new problems and adding them to my test cases. (can a table have a
>>> numbered list, why doesn't Firefox implement &shy;)
>>>
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